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kev_7680
Posted: Sep 09, 2021 - 07:13 pm


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My wife just gave me the thumbs up to buy a suv to tow my future boat(next spring purchase). Looking for something big enough for simcoe Would like some recommendations on what to get and what to stay away from. It will be usedÖthanks again Kevin G

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Posted: Sep 09, 2021 - 07:21 pm


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What is your budget?

Will you be slipping it?

What are you planning to do with the boat? Fish? What type of fish? Sports? Family outtings?


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Posted: Sep 09, 2021 - 08:10 pm


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really need to know the size of boat so you know the weight. Most SUV's only pull 3500lbs which isn't much of a boat once you add all the stuff and your passengers. My boat lists its weight at 1700lbs, by the time I have everything included it is almost 5000lbs. So I'm limited to only a couple of the mid size SUV's. I have a grand Cherokee the pulls 6000lbs so I'm good.

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Posted: Sep 09, 2021 - 08:56 pm


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Ohh, he's asking for an SUV recommendation? I was confused.

1700 lbs dry weight and 5000 lbs loaded? Are you putting a car on your boat? That's a lot of gear!

My boat is 3200 lbs dry, 550 lbs motor, and 500 lbs gear, so around 4250 lbs + trailer 1000 lbs = ~5500 lbs.

Even though Cherokees are amazing vehicles, in my opinion, there is no way a Cherokee would pull my boat. Even the F-150 is borderline. I was thinking about a 250 or 350 soon. Even if it could, the axels of the Cherokee would probably be fried not soon after unless it's towing flat road. Maybe I'm misjudging the Cherokee /shrug.

One factor many folks don't consider is the amount of payload your vehicle is rated for as well. If you have a 6000 lbs tow, you are putting around 800 lbs of tongue weight on your hitch. If your vehicle is rated for 1200 lbs payload, that's 800 lbs + 200 lbs driver + 200 lbs gear = 1200 lbs. Any more weight and you're now an illegal tow and your insurance will not cover an accident.

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Posted: Sep 09, 2021 - 09:34 pm


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I donít know what size yet but Iíve been fishing rice lake for 15 years out of a old aluminum car top rowboat. I want to get something big enough for simcoe but Iím trying to figure out what size I need. But wife wants to get new vehicle soon . So I was going to see what people suggested and then see what boat fits per weight.was looking at around 45k as a budget

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Posted: Sep 09, 2021 - 09:56 pm


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My boat is a Legend 16.5 Allsport, 40hp Mercury 4 stroke and on a Shorelander trailer.

I tow it with my 2013 Nissan Pathfinder which is rated for 5000lbs. I bought the Pathfinder new in 2013 and it works just fine pulling the boat. I figure loaded with gear etc., it probably totals 2500-3000lbs.

I use the boat on Simcoe, GB and on Lake Ontario on the odd occasion. I'm careful about the conditions I go out in, and if the wind is forecast greater than 15kph, I usual stay on shore.

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Posted: Sep 09, 2021 - 09:56 pm


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It all depends on how often you want to fish Simcoe.

Which type of fish? That's going to dictate the type of weather/waves you'll encounter. For example, bass are typically in calm to semi-calm waters. Lake trout and Whitefish are in choppy waters since they are between two wind systems (Kempenfelt Bay and the normal Simcoe open water winds) and that amplifies the waves when fishing out there in 100+ feet of water. It's not uncommon to deal with 3-5 foot waves some days, but mostly 0.5 foot to 2 footers, depending on the time and day.

In the summer, about 25% of the days can be under 1-foot waves to calm. But these days might not be on the weekend. So if you only have time on the weekend, the weather may be a factor. Lots of kayaks, bass boats, and small boats stick to this weather.

Another 30% of the days are from 1 foot to 2 footers with 10-15 km winds. This is mid-size trawler weather, confident bass boats. Small boats are typically gone when it gets to this point.

30% of soft water days are 2+ footers out in the open water. This is reserved for mostly fibreglass boats (walk-arounds, t-tops, etc), large trawlers, and sometimes people on small boats under 18 feet with a death wish or very large balls

That leaves you with like about 15% of the days nobody should be on the water. Storms, squalls, winds 50km+ with waves over 6 feet in the open water.


Most 20-foot trawlers can deal with 2-3 footers.. it's not fun, but they can do it. A 25-foot fibreglass boat can deal with waves up to 5-6 feet before they start coming over the bow. Still, not fun, but doable.

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Posted: Sep 09, 2021 - 10:08 pm


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I wanted to try whites and Lakers. My wife is a teacher so all summer is free can fish anytime ..I figured it would have to be around 20 footer but not sure what I should buy to pull it?

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Posted: Sep 09, 2021 - 10:18 pm


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20-footer is a nice size for Simcoe. But you'll want to stick with aluminum if you are thinking to pull it with an SUV. The Grand Cherokee can do it, but I don't know if it's 45k.. those things are typically pretty expensive I think.

SUVs aren't my specialty so I'll let the other more experienced guys here comment there.

Whatever you choose, make sure you aren't choosing to tow a boat with the maximum tow rating of your vehicle.

If your boat + trailer is 3000 lbs, get something that tows 6000. You will destroy your vehicle if you tow at its maximum, esp on grade, and you will burn fuel like crazy. Another thing to think about is you need a vehicle heavy enough to be able to launch it without the boat+trailer pulling it into the drink. It's a thing - check out youtube.


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Posted: Sep 10, 2021 - 06:57 am


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also stay away from vehicles that have the CVT transmission, they really don't pull well. Normally they have very low tow ratings, but even if it's rated to tow your boat, you will find that it doesn't work very well. (ie. very inconstant RPMs and I'm sure it will wear out quickly.)

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Posted: Sep 10, 2021 - 07:08 am


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QUOTE (reelinginthebigone @ Sep 09, 2021 - 10:18 pm)
20-footer is a nice size for Simcoe. But you'll want to stick with aluminum if you are thinking to pull it with an SUV.  The Grand Cherokee can do it, but I don't know if it's 45k.. those things are typically pretty expensive I think.

SUVs aren't my specialty so I'll let the other more experienced guys here comment there.

Whatever you choose, make sure you aren't choosing to tow a boat with the maximum tow rating of your vehicle.

If your boat + trailer is 3000 lbs, get something that tows 6000. You will destroy your vehicle if you tow at its maximum, esp on grade, and you will burn fuel like crazy. Another thing to think about is you need a vehicle heavy enough to be able to launch it without the boat+trailer pulling it into the drink. It's a thing - check out youtube.

Yup, don't want this to happen..
Just a regular day on the CHIT SHOW with Alfred M..
https://youtu.be/OOgb763a-hw

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Posted: Sep 10, 2021 - 07:49 am


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reelinginthebigone, is correct you want room to spare. I destroyed a S10 years ago pulling to the max, tranny and engine both went real early.

So let me rethink my tow weight

1700lb boat
350lb main engine
80lb kicker
60lb electric guessing
200lb batteries guessing
130lb gas
100lb equipment guessing
700lb trailer guessing
900lb people

this sums to 4220.

So a SUV with 5000lb tow will work. That is why I was only looking to a SUV with min 5000lb. bigger better just incase things change. I looked at the bigger VW which was 5000 capacity. I got the Grand Cherokee that pulls 6000 or 6500 can't remember for a lot less the the VW, got a better deal on the trade in on my diesel 1500 ram

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Posted: Sep 10, 2021 - 08:08 am


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Why not get a truck...i have a ram 1500 v6 that will pull 7600lbs...pulls my 22ft fiberglass boat fine...probably get one new for less than 45k

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Posted: Sep 10, 2021 - 08:15 am


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For 17-20 footer I also suggest either a full size truck or serious frame SUV like Toyota 4Runner

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reelinginthebigone
Posted: Sep 10, 2021 - 08:49 am


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A truck is always my choice too. RAM is a good choice, but I've been leaning towards the new F-150s lately because of all the awesome tech they have in them.

Trucks aren't like trucks from 10 years ago. A lot of trucks have nicer interiors and more tech than SUVs and cars these days. The higher trim F-150s interior looks as nice as a Mercedes C-class now.

If you don't want to go with a full-sized truck, the new Ford Ranger is amazing too. It's advertised to pull 7500 lbs when the trailer tow package is added.

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