herring aka cisco as bait....

Amen to that!


Only way to put a end to this is go out and try using a herring as bait on Simcoe. Flag over a MNR officer and tell them you're using a herring caught on Simcoe as bait and see what they have to say. If they say everything is all good, then at least we all know. If they give you a ticket then at least we all know

I really don't see anyone arguing with you. I've been following this thread since you started it. People are just reciting what is written in the regulations.

You have now said your not arguing about this anymore a few times now, but you keep responding to it. If you want to stop all this BS or arguing, then have admin lock the thread and call it a day.

Play safe and have fun folks, there are bigger issues in life than this.

Amen to that!

Only way to put a end to this is go out and try using a herring as bait on Simcoe. Flag over a MNR officer and tell them you're using a herring caught on Simcoe as bait and see what they have to say. If they say everything is all good, then at least we all know. If they give you a ticket then at least we all know

On Simcoe try using a herring caught on Simcoe as bait? Not me! Anyone feels free to call me a chicken. No way I could mess up with the fishing regulations. Show me in print in Ontario MNR fishing regulations that "one can use herring caught on Simcoe as bait on Simcoe".

I repeat: Whatever MNR officer or director said means 100% ABSOLUTELY nothing to me. When you are forced to show up in court, is your case settled by fishing regulations and/or the judge, or by what some or any MNR officer or director said???

to thanh

Amen to that!

Only way to put a end to this is go out and try using a herring as bait on Simcoe. Flag over a MNR officer and tell them you're using a herring caught on Simcoe as bait and see what they have to say. If they say everything is all good, then at least we all know. If they give you a ticket then at least we all know

On Simcoe try using a herring caught on Simcoe as bait? Not me! Anyone feels free to call me a chicken. No way I could mess up with the fishing regulations. Show me in print in Ontario MNR fishing regulations that "one can use herring caught on Simcoe as bait on Simcoe".

I repeat: Whatever MNR officer or director said means 100% ABSOLUTELY nothing to me. When you are forced to show up in court, is your case settled by fishing regulations and/or the judge, or by what some or any MNR officer or director said???

I personally would never use a caught herring as bait fish at any given time. The thought has never even crossed my mind to be honest but that's because I'm a newb when it comes to ice fishing. Steelhead fishing is what I am all about but all the power to those who wants to use herring as bait fish and hopefully the regulation allows you to use it and you catch a trophy fish.

Bottom line is. If the offender was given a ticket for this matter and tried to fight the ticket in court I highly doubt the offender will walk away without having to pay the fine. My reason is exactly like yours. Its all hearsay. He/she can say something but if you have no proof to back your cause then you will likely lose cause it states in the fishing regulation book that herring on simcoe is a game fish. If Ripley had proof from those whom he spoke with at the ministry that mentioned herring is a bait fish on Simcoe then I can see the offence being dropped if those people at the ministry are willing to back him up in his case. That being said, I personally don't think those that mentioned its a game fish will go to the court on his behalf to back him up. I think its best to get it written on something or a recording so that way this will back him up.

I also think the fishing regulation book needs to be revised with more in depth detail so that way it gives us all a better understanding of the rules.

Amen to that!

Only way to put a end to this is go out and try using a herring as bait on Simcoe. Flag over a MNR officer and tell them you're using a herring caught on Simcoe as bait and see what they have to say. If they say everything is all good, then at least we all know. If they give you a ticket then at least we all know

On Simcoe try using a herring caught on Simcoe as bait? Not me! Anyone feels free to call me a chicken. No way I could mess up with the fishing regulations. Show me in print in Ontario MNR fishing regulations that "one can use herring caught on Simcoe as bait on Simcoe".

I repeat: Whatever MNR officer or director said means 100% ABSOLUTELY nothing to me. When you are forced to show up in court, is your case settled by fishing regulations and/or the judge, or by what some or any MNR officer or director said???

I personally would never use a caught herring as bait fish at any given time. The thought has never even crossed my mind to be honest but that's because I'm a newb when it comes to ice fishing. Steelhead fishing is what I am all about but all the power to those who wants to use herring as bait fish and hopefully the regulation allows you to use it and you catch a trophy fish.

Bottom line is. If the offender was given a ticket for this matter and tried to fight the ticket in court I highly doubt the offender will walk away without having to pay the fine. My reason is exactly like yours. Its all hearsay. He/she can say something but if you have no proof to back your cause then you will likely lose cause it states in the fishing regulation book that herring on simcoe is a game fish. If Ripley had proof from those whom he spoke with at the ministry that mentioned herring is a bait fish on Simcoe then I can see the offence being dropped if those people at the ministry are willing to back him up in his case. That being said, I personally don't think those that mentioned its a game fish will go to the court on his behalf to back him up. I think its best to get it written on something or a recording so that way this will back him up.

I also think the fishing regulation book needs to be revised with more in depth detail so that way it gives us all a better understanding of the rules.

You've never caught a steelhead with herring? You are missing out man!!! All jokes aside about 15 years ago when I used to just bottom bounce for steelhead we were fishing the Niagara river and using a pickerel rig and having no luck with roe or worms. My buddy had a can of pickled herring with him. We caught 3 that day on chunks of pickled herring.

Amen to that!

Only way to put a end to this is go out and try using a herring as bait on Simcoe. Flag over a MNR officer and tell them you're using a herring caught on Simcoe as bait and see what they have to say. If they say everything is all good, then at least we all know. If they give you a ticket then at least we all know

On Simcoe try using a herring caught on Simcoe as bait? Not me! Anyone feels free to call me a chicken. No way I could mess up with the fishing regulations. Show me in print in Ontario MNR fishing regulations that "one can use herring caught on Simcoe as bait on Simcoe".

I repeat: Whatever MNR officer or director said means 100% ABSOLUTELY nothing to me. When you are forced to show up in court, is your case settled by fishing regulations and/or the judge, or by what some or any MNR officer or director said???

I personally would never use a caught herring as bait fish at any given time. The thought has never even crossed my mind to be honest but that's because I'm a newb when it comes to ice fishing. Steelhead fishing is what I am all about but all the power to those who wants to use herring as bait fish and hopefully the regulation allows you to use it and you catch a trophy fish.

Bottom line is. If the offender was given a ticket for this matter and tried to fight the ticket in court I highly doubt the offender will walk away without having to pay the fine. My reason is exactly like yours. Its all hearsay. He/she can say something but if you have no proof to back your cause then you will likely lose cause it states in the fishing regulation book that herring on simcoe is a game fish. If Ripley had proof from those whom he spoke with at the ministry that mentioned herring is a bait fish on Simcoe then I can see the offence being dropped if those people at the ministry are willing to back him up in his case. That being said, I personally don't think those that mentioned its a game fish will go to the court on his behalf to back him up. I think its best to get it written on something or a recording so that way this will back him up.

I also think the fishing regulation book needs to be revised with more in depth detail so that way it gives us all a better understanding of the rules.

You've never caught a steelhead with herring? You are missing out man!!! All jokes aside about 15 years ago when I used to just bottom bounce for steelhead we were fishing the Niagara river and using a pickerel rig and having no luck with roe or worms. My buddy had a can of pickled herring with him. We caught 3 that day on chunks of pickled herring.

Never tried but that can be added to the arsenal its always good to have a variety of different baits and artificial when steelheading especially when the bite goes cold and your thinking skunked

I know this is old, but just to throw some more mud on the fire... I did some research, and I've come to realize the Regulations SUMMARY, is very vague. The definition of a "Whitefish" includes Ciscoes (Herring). the proof: "The freshwater whitefish are fishes of the subfamily Coregoninae" "The Coregoninae subfamily consists of three nominal genera:[4]
1) Coregonus Linnaeus, 1758 – whitefishes and ciscoes"
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freshwater_whitefish

So technically Ciscoes are listed as a gamefish AND a baitfish in all of ontario.
So is it legal to ever use ciscoe as bait in Ontario?

I wonder if someone has a bait license on Simcoe is allowed to net thousands of herring?

At the Barrie marina this fall. The bait guys avoided the herring as much as they can that were swimming under the shinners.

As an aside, the largest trout I've ever seen was taken many years ago out from Lefroy and, you guessed it, came on a live herring rig. It was late in March and I had the kids down there for a few hours of jigging herring on a pearl set up behind a small Williams. A guy in a full sized pick-up just yards from us hooked into the trout. It was quite a battle and a good crowd of people gathered as the fight wore on. Trout season had ended but the fish was finally gaffed and pulled from the hole. The guy threw the laker in the truck bed and, with no exaggeration whatsoever, the fish came close to filling the four foot space between the wheel wells. No time was wasted starting the truck and racing to shore!!
I've no idea concerning the legalities of using herring as live bait but this laker was about ten days outside the established season closure for this species. I'd still love to know how low this fish pulled the scales.

i have personally seen dozens of trophy trout caught on herring ion simcoe,its what they feed on primarily

Yup. This guy was about 8lbs and look at the size of the herring it had in its belly. Wonder how many of those a 20lber can munch on..

Thank you for your inquiry.

Cisco (Lake Herring) is considered a baitfish and also as a coarse fish. They are open all year and there is no limit on how many you can keep unless restrictions are stated in the fishing regulations or exceptions.

BUT

Lake Simcoe does have a season so you can use them as bait but there are restrictions on how many you can use as bait if caught from Lake Simcoe.

On Lake Simcoe in the exception, it states: Cisco (Lake Herring) open from Jan. 1 to March 15 and the 2nd Saturday in May to Sept. 30

Sport License: possession limit - 2
Conservation License: possession limit - 1

Since Cisco (Lake Herring) is also classified as a baitfish than you would be able to use this specie as bait therefore you would have 2 options for Lake Simcoe since there is also a season.

Option 1:

If you’re in possession of a Sport Fishing License than you would be able to fish for Cisco (Herring) in Lake Simcoe.
You would have to stop after catching 2 Cisco because in the exceptions it states the possession limit is 2 for Cisco with a Sport Fishing License.
These 2 Cisco could also be used as bait because they are also classified in the regulations as bait.

Or

If you’re in possession of a Conservation Fishing License than you would be able to fish for Cisco (Herring) in Lake Simcoe.
You would have to stop after catching 1 Cisco because the exceptions it states the possession limit is 1 for Cisco with a Conservation Fishing License.
The 1 Cisco could also be used as bait because they are also classified as bait in the regulations.

Option 2

In the fishing regulations it also list Cisco as a baitfish, therefore you could go to a bait dealer and purchase Cisco as bait.
You are not allowed to have more than 120 baitfish in your possession.
This baitfish (Cisco) from the baitfish dealer could be used in Lake Simcoe.

If you going to use Cisco from a bait dealer to fish Lake Simcoe, I would recommend keeping your receipt as proof to show to a conservation officer that these Cisco was purchased from a bait dealer as baitfish and were not caught from Lake Simcoe.

2017 Ontario Recreation Fishing Regulations Summary: https://dr6j45jk9xcmk.cloudfront.net/docume...ary-english.pdf

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Are ciscos in lake simcoe a baitfish or sport fish? If I catch one can I use it as bait?
Thank you.