Group: Newbies
Posts: 13
Member No.: 14016
Joined: April 06, 2017
Fun to catch, Thats about it.....no good to eat in my opinion. Such a beautiful fish color wise...you hate to kill them.....They love perch...so hope the impact on the perch population isn't to great.
Group: Members
Posts: 2754
Member No.: 10908
Joined: January 25, 2016
Stocking has been going on since 2006.
Success is yet to be seen. I would love to see them back as they were a native species distroyed by human interference and neglect for our enviroment.
A top predators can actually make things much better in an ecosystem. Just read a bit about the reintroduction of wolves to Yellow Stone national park. All species have flourished and prey species have expanded in numbers. People fought the reintroduction of Wolves into Yellow Stone and they were wrong.
Let's support this initiative as Musky were there for a reason. Ecological balance in the lake as determined by nature and the needs of the ecosystem through natural selection and evolution. We disturbed this balance and we should repair it.
Group: Members
Posts: 2791
Member No.: 9650
Joined: June 18, 2015
Highly doubt a muskie fishery can be so great as to even put a small dent in the perch population. Let's hope for a comeback of these big beautiful toothy critters!
Group: Members
Posts: 540
Member No.: 10851
Joined: January 23, 2016
QUOTE (Disco @ Nov 08, 2017 - 03:08 pm)
Stocking has been going on since 2006.
Success is yet to be seen. I would love to see them back as they were a native species distroyed by human interference and neglect for our enviroment.
A top predators can actually make things much better in an ecosystem. Just read a bit about the reintroduction of wolves to Yellow Stone national park. All species have flourished and prey species have expanded in numbers. People fought the reintroduction of Wolves into Yellow Stone and they were wrong.
Let's support this initiative as Musky were there for a reason. Ecological balance in the lake as determined by nature and the needs of the ecosystem through natural selection and evolution. We disturbed this balance and we should repair it.
The introduction has decimated elk there, the wolves have started killing for fun, not eating what they kill. The wolves introduced where not the same that where wiped out years ago and are much bigger and faster. Reintroduction has been terrible, ask anyone who lives there, they’ve decimated the area.
Group: Members
Posts: 2754
Member No.: 10908
Joined: January 25, 2016
Kier the wolves push the elk herds to their original environment higher in the mountains. Fields were barren as all the grasses were gone. Species suffered across the board. Try reading some of the following that doesn’t not include hear say from disgruntled hunters who can’t hunt down an elk.
Group: Members
Posts: 540
Member No.: 10851
Joined: January 23, 2016
QUOTE (Disco @ Nov 08, 2017 - 06:39 pm)
Kier the wolves push the elk herds to their original environment higher in the mountains. Fields were barren as all the grasses were gone. Species suffered across the board. Try reading some of the following that doesn’t not include hear say from disgruntled hunters who can’t hunt down an elk.
If you want more links from scienctists and biologists stating exactly the same thing, that wolves where a terrible idea, there a tons out there. Just because the willows regret means nothing when you’ve decimated elk populations doing so. Not to even start including the over 5 thousand cattle and sheep combined they killed in one year.
Group: Members
Posts: 2754
Member No.: 10908
Joined: January 25, 2016
Kier thanks for posting the links. I read them both throughly. Specific Elk herds have shrunk but your second article clearly states that wolves are not the culprit.
"Almost 70 percent of the calves died before their first birthdays, and Barber-Meyer’s team determined that wolves killed only 15 percent of them — not nearly enough to explain Middleton’s missing calves."
Further more bear kill more Elk calves by 4x that amount.
"Death by wolf, Barber-Meyer found, was dwarfed by the 60 percent of these tagged calves killed by bears (more than half of them by grizzlies). That was three times as much bear predation as was found two decades earlier. Realizing the role of bears revealed a much bigger and messier picture than Middleton had anticipated."
Final article statement sums it up completely.
"After spending five years trying to find the one thing that could explain the declining elk populations, Middleton has concluded that there isn’t one — there are many: Trout fishermen, bears, wolves, fish, climate change and factors yet unfound collectively shoulder the weight of that loss. “Changes in the system were perceived as a consequence of wolves,” he explains, but these reintroduced predators actually have a relatively small impact — one that is far outsized by the hoopla surrounding them. The elk population in Yellowstone is at the mercy of a much larger, human-altered ecosystem."
So my apologies for being incorrectly stating that Prey species have expanded in numbers when in fact Elk herds have shrunk and some Elk herds have been decimated. My point being is look at the finger pointing to wolves as the culprits when the in depth study in your second article seem to have the most hard evidence the the contrary.
Sorry for hijacking the thred but I find these predictor prey and environmental topics fascinating. A healthy debate is always good to see both views.
I appreciate your view Kier and hope you see this also as a heathy debate....I don't want to start an argument.
Fishing Lake Simcoe
Fishing forum for Lake Simcoe & Area. Fishing Reports, Current Ice Conditions, Fishing Tips, Discussions & More. Featuring Ice Hut Rentals, Accommodations, Bait & Tackle shops, Marinas and Fishing Guides. The best fishing in Simcoe County!
Lake Simcoe Outdoors - Fishing Forum : Fishing Tips, Current Conditions, Fishing Reports & more! Fishing Lake Simcoe & Area
Muskies!
