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Grandpa Jim
Posted: May 20, 2019 - 06:38 am


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Did a shakedown run and some trolling Saturday (18th) on Georgian Bay with my son and his boat. All functions a go.
Despite 37 degree surface temps we managed to catch a small chinook and a similar sized salmonid/trout as well as missing a solid fish. Never saw a single boat from Albert's Cove to Wasaga Beach.
Neither of us could positively identify the second fish. It had a square tail and body markings were similar to a rainbow. However it had a pointy snout and lots of teeth (like a wall-eye). When cleaned the flesh colour was white. Skamania came to mind but the snout and teeth are all wrong.
No success with google searches.
Apologies for no picture.
Anyone able to identify the species from the limited description provided??
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Jim

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Newburg007
Posted: May 20, 2019 - 07:30 am


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Can't work any magic here to identify (without seeing the fish obviously). I had a couple MNR "rangers" -- the rookie and the vet combination! -- try to identify such a fish years ago. It didn't end well; they went back and forth several times and drove away still "agreeing to disagree".

The tail is in keeping with skamania (large and square) and a feature that quickly impresses you. The head is usually short/small with a rounded snout -- "bullet head". You can't help but think these things are perfect eating machines with the short snout, long/lean body, and over-sized tail. Their fight is usually memorable -- lots of jumps and tail walks. The white colour to the meat is from the fish's diet (pale = minnows) -- vs orange flesh from bottom feeding (crustaceans).

If the mouth was white(?)..... and it being unseen(?).... You'd almost have to go with an "ugly, playground" steelhead (with some history of possible cross-breeding with another skamania variety).

But you know, after the BBQ....

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Grandpa Jim
Posted: May 20, 2019 - 09:17 am


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Thanks for the response. I agree with everything you've offered. The reference to this fish being the result of crossbreeding resulting in a hybrid makes sense. Despite all the combined years of fishing experience, we were stumped completely on the species. Both my son and I have taken skamania and enjoyed the air show of which they are capable. Too many differences with this fish for it to be a skamania.

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Posted: May 20, 2019 - 10:29 am


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What Izzit? I'd have to say it's a Whatmacallit!!

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Grandpa Jim
Posted: May 20, 2019 - 11:10 am


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Thanks guys for the feedback. The fish was a shaker so no real size to it. Definitely not a brown.
My son just called after talking to a buddy who is extremely knowledgeable and I think we have an answer!
Stewie identified the fish as a CROKER! Apparently a number of these pen raised rainbows escape and are caught occasionally all along the Bay shoreline. His description of the crokers he has taken while trolling matched perfectly with our fish. Crokers reportedly show little to no activity when being wound in, which fitted our fish to a tee.
I can now BBQ this character and serve it up to the warden with a perfectly clear conscience.

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Posted: May 20, 2019 - 04:58 pm


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Well done Jim, great first run of the season. Is the Talisman still on the water? I opted to go the other way, I was trolling north of you around Christian. Found a lot of 37 degree water and then a pocket of 38-40 and hit a 12 lb salmon! Huge fight, total surprise catch, we normally don’t get them this far up this early in the season.
Also landed a nice laker. Both full of smelt.
Sunday, Fished calm water on the inside of Christian, lots of bait and warm surface temps 43-45. No fish, storms chased be off the bay pretty quick.


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Posted: May 20, 2019 - 07:03 pm


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"....a CROKER!"

I would not have got that one right -- "I'll take fish heads for only $2, Alex."

A dozen years ago when the weirs at Cape Croker were storm damaged and 1000s of their fish escaped, they got the nickname "footballs" because of their shape (small heads and tails, with tall and thick bodies). This must be a different stain trout now. (And a new trick for this old dog!)

Great eaters!

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Gumby_Shoes
Posted: May 21, 2019 - 12:46 pm


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Lots of stray bows from Parry Sound around the shorelines of southern Gbay this spring. Kill them all.

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Posted: May 21, 2019 - 02:47 pm


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I don't think they're capable of reproducing, genetic mutants apparently fed stuff I don't want to ingest.

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