Nottawasaga contaminants issues, Eulogy for the Pike Infested Swamp

CATCH AND RELEASE ONLY – Fish Contamination Advisory

Fish in the Nottawasaga River (Jack’s Lake area) are highly contaminated.

According to the latest Guide to Eating Ontario Fish:

https://www.ontario.ca/page/fish-consumptio...ort?id=44298000

Children and women of childbearing age should not eat any size of:

• Yellow perch
• Walleye
• Rainbow trout
• Northern pike
• Black crappie
• Chinook salmon
• Smallmouth bass
• Pumpkinseed
• Rock bass
• White sucker
• Redhorse sucker
• Carp

The Nottawasaga River contains 12 species of “do not eat” fish—the highest number of all of the 2,765 tested fishing locations in Ontario.

The source of the dominant contaminant (PFAS/PFOS) is the fire school at CFB Borden, 46km upstream. The PFAS/PFOS flows into Bear Creek, then into the Pine River, and then into the Nottawasaga River.

Current contamination levels indicate that fish in the Nottawasaga River will continue to exceed safe consumption thresholds for the foreseeable future.

Catch and release only fishing is strongly advised.

This post has been edited by ilikepike on Jul 19, 2025 - 05:19 pm

I am a constant follower of the latest information regarding nutrition with thousand of hour on biohacking the human body.
I did catch and eat pike from Noty in the past 10-15 years, not anymore.

But not all is Gloom and Doom.

The PCB and PFSA are in all of us, it depends in what concentration and how well is the human body able to handle them.

People with higher BMI will hold more PFSA, but the most important factor is the content of the fat that person eats.
If that person eats the right allocation of fats (1-2% - PUFA , 15-17% - Omega 3 - fish fat, 80% saturated fat - beef, goat, lamb - ruminant fat), to body will not have much trouble with the PFSA/PCB.
The problem in today world is that people eats lots of PUFA (fat from vegetable processed seeds : canola, sunflower, cotton, grape seeds) marketed as healthy fats but the real truth is that these fats are the most dangerous chemical substances we are eating. Of course "party line" is to eat all of these daily way over 1%, do not eat saturated fats (animal ruminant fat) and save the planet.
This propaganda run by the medical system is to make great business for pharma complex that sell statins (billions dollar industry with big incentive for some people). Also is "good" to get rid of peons retirees and keep the good stuff for the elites, that is undeclared agenda.
The PUFA fats/oils come on our plate via direct use or eating chicken and pork grown with corns, grains, not the one grown on grass in full sun.
This is why is important to eat saturated fats from ruminants. If body has the right fats handy the PCB / PFSA will be discarded, not absorbed at a higher rate.

* PCB, PFSA can be eliminated from the body via sweat, infrared sauna, intermittent fasting
* a healthy gut flora will minimize the abortion of PFSA, PCB
* the PFSA, PCB will be absorbed in higher concentration if the vegetable oil is used daily in the diet and will not be absorbed much if the right saturated fats are present.

I am over 50 years old, I eat lots of saturated ruminant fats (I fry fish in ghee, tallow, butter) no vegetable oils for me. My cholesterol is HIGH, VERY HIGH according to the "party line" and I need to take statins according to the foxy officials advisors. NEVER. I die the way I wanted.
People with high cholesterol live longer, 80% of the brain is saturated fat, cholesterol is just a medium of fats transport, the higher the number the more good building material the body has. Do not mix cholesterol with fructose and process sugars that is a recipe for disaster.

I did observed during the last decade the more saturated fat I ate the healthier I get, I did reduce bread, cereals, fructose, sweets fruits, the one we are persuaded every day to eat.
I was allergic before to ragweed (not anymore), I never had a flu in lats 15 years, covid was a joke for me. Never had anything. And this apply to all my 4 family members.

There is a gem fat that all of us need in order to have healthy cell membranes, that fat is C15 and people who are deficient in this fat get diabetes in higher rates, they get sun burn fast. This fat is only present in specific foods, mostly beef, and good European cheese, goat cheese, sheep cheese fermented the old way (with real rennet not synthetic Pfizer rennet) not the American way.

I repeat, I have high cholesterol, no blood pressure, I sleep 5-6 hours daily I do not need more, full of energy, I can fast for 24hours easy, my hammer wakes up at 5AM to work on ... almost every day.
I was yesterday in my kayak 10 km inside lake Erie, getting the limit and coming back, I was not thirsty, I had my fist sip of water at 12PM, after 18 or fasting after I got out of the lake.
That is the best indicator I am healthy, this is my standard.

So yes, the devil is in details.
Do your homework, by curious and never trust foxes with government/CBC/Pfizer recommendations.
I am able to provide documentation / books written long time ago that supports what I posted above. But you need to read them. And today nobody has time to read, every body wants instant effects.

Tight lines and health folks.
The devil is in details.
See you on water.

First off, thank you for your input. I think when we see many different opinions on a topic is helps us all make better informed decisions. That's after checking all the facts ourselves. Anyone who makes a health decision without knowing all the facts, or not consulting their family doctor may suffer the consequences of their actions. You did mention the old books, written a long time ago, where your information comes from. Old medical books and studies completed a long time ago are what modern medicine is based on. Modern medicine saves lives, because it has basis from the older studies and discoveries from decades past. Its hard to make informed decisions, and difficult knowing who to trust to make these decisions. Scandals and lies in the past from some big companies have caused so much controversy, its hard to know who to trust. I take comfort in the overwhelming evidence that is at my fingertips. The whole world of information is available to us all through the library and on a computer. Old studies, not so old studies, and new studies that concur with the results, to help us all make better choices with our health. Knowing this, I would like to point out there is a few inaccuracies in your post. I am not in the habit of telling anyone that they are wrong, and you are not wrong. Some of your opinions are correct, and some are lacking content. For example, "People with high cholesterol live longer." This does have some continuity, but only for people late in life. And there are more contributing factors in those studies as well. It is inherently dangerous for younger people to have high cholesterol. Also the brain is not 80% saturated fat, it's far more complex than that. Like I said, you are correct on some of your opinions, but incorrect on a few others. Not here to point out inconsistencies, but some fact checks do support actual data. I have no doubt that what you eat, and your sleeping habits, and your water intake seems to work for you. As you say, "full of energy." Just think we need to be careful on what we write down for people to read. Offering a political view on a health topic, just takes away from the positive feedback on the subject. We all need to ask questions and find the correct answers ourselves, when it is important to our families health.

Thanks for the info everyone. I agree this should be public knowledge. It seems anywhere downstream of these fire fighting exercise areas are badly polluted.
You would think mankind could come up with something to fight fires that doesn’t create a hundred other problems!

I wonder how many years the dumping of the fire foam goes back, I'm sure at least 40. I also wonder how much of an impact it has on the ground water that people rely on when they're not hooked up to city water.

Just another new brother of PCB andf PFSA:

Scientists detected airborne medium-chain chlorinated paraffins (MCCPs) in rural Oklahoma for the first time, showing these toxic chemicals are not limited to industrial zones
MCCPs are chemically similar to PFAS “forever chemicals,” building up in your fat, disrupting hormones, and increasing the risk of chronic illness
Levels of MCCPs in the air peaked during hot daylight hours, revealing that daily temperature swings directly control how much you breathe in
The study linked local farmland and biosolid fertilizer use to high MCCP levels, raising concerns about conventional produce and outdoor exposure near agricultural areas
Even small lifestyle changes — like switching to organic food, avoiding PVC products, using an indoor air purifier, and improving mitochondrial health — help your body reduce and resist toxic buildup

"For example, "People with high cholesterol live longer." This does have some continuity, but only for people late in life. "

The current system now measure all cholesterol as one unit. In fact cholesterol has 5-6 types and from that only one is the bad one, the oxidized cholesterol. Guess what, that is the PUFA the cholesterol we are brain washed to eat every day from canola oil and vegetable oils and from the grains feed to animal.

The triglycerides and the Homo-cysteine level are far more damaging to the blood vessel than cholesterol. But that does not make profits for the the system, to prescribe pills for those is to prescribe B vitamins and stop eating junk. That is not profitable.
Who says that? Lots of doctors that cannot profess because they are push aside from the system controlled by big pharma.

When I mention old books I was referring to:

Deep Nutrtion: Why Your Genes Need Traditional Food by Catherine Shanahan, M.D.
Super Human: The Bulletproof Plan to Age Backe Even Live Forever by Dave Aspreward and Mayby | Oct 8 2019
Lies My Doctor Told Me - Medical Myths That Can Harm Your Health - Written by: Dr. Ken Berry
Food Over Medicine: The Conversation That Could Save Your Life by Pamela A. Popper (Author), Glen Merzer (Author), Del Sroufe (Contributor)
The 9 Steps to Keep the Doctor Away: Dr. Rashid Buttar
Pure, white and deadly - John Yudkin
Dead Doctors don't lies - Dr. Joel Walach
The Obezity Code - Dr. Jason Fung
Bruce Ames - Triage Theory, Longevity Vitamins & Micro-nutrients and Vitamin and mineral inadequacy accelerates aging
Fat for fuel - Dr. Mercola
Body types - Dr. E. Berg
Eat to Beat Disease - Dr. William W Li
The Plant Paradox - Dr. Gundry
The China Study - T. Colin Campbell
Any book of Dr. Robert Atkins
Nutrition and physical degeneration - Dr. Weston A Price 2009
The Carnivore Code - by Paul Saladino 2019
The Wahl protocol - Dr. Terry Wahls


After you red these let me know if this old data and information is not valid today.
And tell me the new genetic experiment is safer.

Thanks for your contribution. Some of the older books you mention had value in their time, but many are now outdated, especially when it comes to newer contaminants like PFAS. Unlike PCBs, which accumulate in fat, PFAS associate with proteins in the body and persist for years or even decades. They are not flushed out easily and are only significantly eliminated during periods of intense protein turnover—such as pregnancy and breastfeeding, when proteins (and PFAS) are transferred to the developing baby and infant.

This is why current health guidelines advise that “children under 15 years of age and people who are pregnant or may become pregnant” should not eat fish contaminated with high levels of PFAS. It's not about profit or conspiracy—it’s about protecting vulnerable groups from a chemical class that has proven long-term effects on development and health.

Returning to the Nottawasaga River: the Guide to Eating Ontario Fish has just been updated with new testing data. Please check it before giving fish from the Jack’s Lake area (44°28'57"N 79°59'56"W) or from the 46km contamination pathway upstream to the Pine River, then up the Pine River to Bear Creek, then up Bear Creek to the fire school at CFB Borden, to boys under 15 or females under 55.

The Guide now advises that these groups should not eat walleye, yellow perch, black crappie, pumpkinseed, largemouth bass, smallmouth bass, rock bass, redhorse sucker, or white sucker due to high levels of PFAS contamination. They should also not eat carp over 14” and northern pike over 24” due to high levels of PFAS contamination.

Importantly, all “do not eat” advisories for the Nottawasaga River are now due to PFAS.

Unlike for PCBs, fat-draining the fish during cooking won’t help. PFAS are found in the protein of the fillets of the fish. Once in the human body, most stay—unless passed on during pregnancy or breastfeeding.

Please use the updated Guide and think carefully before giving Nottawasaga fish to anyone under 15 years old or females under 55 years old. Let’s protect each other with the best science available.

Whoever reads this, there is kind of a moral or punchline at the end, you can decide for yourselves..........Thank you Berger for putting up that list of books, I am sure there is some relevant content in them that supports your beliefs. I was complimenting old medical books and studies when I said that modern medicine is based on these facts. There is a definite need for Natural Medicine that has been practiced by native peoples for centuries. There is also a great need for modern medicine that saves lives everyday. I grew up knowing the old ways of healing. My mother was a district manager of a natural health food store when I was a child. My mother was educated in all matters of natural medicines. As for modern medicine, my one cousin is a nurse, her daughter is going to be a doctor in a few years. My other cousin is a scientist, my aunt and uncle and cousins are farmers. Our entire family has been very lucky to have such vast knowledge of the world around us a phone call away. There is room for both Natural Science and Modern Science in this world. The most important point is people must know that the decisions they make with their health have consequences. Not one science, Natural or Modern is complete. There are new discoveries everyday that either compliment or disprove results, conclusions etc. on new and old theories of medicine. What ever science people decide to follow for their health should be an informed choice. Blurring facts with political opinions just makes peoples choices more difficult. If I gave someone advice on fishing, I would not expect them to follow my words blindly. I would expect them to have enough intelligence to ask more questions from other anglers. I catch hundreds of fish but only certain species, in a couple lakes. I know almost everything there is to know about walleye and crappie where I catch them. I know very little about Trout fishing or Salmon fishing. For me to give advice on how to catch Lake Trout or Salmon etc. would not be helpful to the anglers reading my opinions.

"For me to give advice on how to catch Lake Trout or Salmon etc. would not be helpful to the anglers reading my opinions."

When a family doctor give you advice for a vaxen or statins and he gets commission and kick backs tell me that his advice has not conflict of interest and it is in patient interest to trust the doctor.

The biggest Hospital in GTA is managed by managers that they do care on reaching the profits, health is just a excuse to run the business.

It is not new that the health system is know lately as Death Care System since the MAID (assisted suicide) is heavily pushed on, with numbers greater and greater form one yer to another. Great system. So before I stop eating fish from Noty and start to eat crickets form the Trudeau fantasy project I like to read and listen to many opinions and not always trust the so call specialist that have conflicts of interest (large pension plans, shares, kick backs, donations from ONGs).

Yes the times changed and the system is rigged a lot more than before, but Sun, real food, clean water with no fluoride, clean air with no chem trails and commons sense it is more valuable today that crooked professionals and fear mongering charlatans.

Cheers and tight lines.
The devil is in details.

Totally agree with you 100%. Sunny days and of course rainy days. Real fresh food and clean clear water. Clean healthy air and common sense, just like way back when. Too bad we don't have a whole lot of that anymore. I am with you like I said 100% on a cleaner world, but that's just not our reality now. We have to do our best with what we have. Liked our conversation very much, pollution is a sad, but great topic to discuss. But when you start talking about Chem-trails and Elites, brainwashing and propaganda, kickbacks and conflicts of interest, well I will just say good day to you sir, and good luck. I have been nothing but respectful as always with my posts. Love to listen to peoples opinions and respect their choices. It's obvious you are set in your ways and live the life you are comfortable with, and that is your choice. We are lucky to live in a free country where we can make our own choices, on how we choose to live. I will be 62 on my next birthday and lucky to get there, considering the reckless life lived all those years. We have a huge family from immediate to extended cousins, wives, husbands, and lots of kids. The system has not let us down yet with our health care since it started. Lots of living and dying in all that time. I have worked since being young and got paid and paid my taxes. Don't always like who is in charge, but take the good and bad in whatever percentage it comes. This is a great country with many problems. I choose to try and keep it beautiful, like the old license plates said. I wish everyone a happy and healthy life with lots of adventure. Stay safe.

What I don't understand is why Salmon that feeds in GBay is on the same list with the fish that are residents of Notty. Those fish eat in the main basin of Gbay not Notty. They just transit Notty.
I was expecting them to be cleaner than the resident of Notty.

Few years back one of my friend got some trout close to the nets in Parry Sound, the fish are like fat balls, slow moving and they do not fight at all, you can drag them in the water they wont release the hook. When he was filleting the fish, one of them was having the entire belly full of necrosis.

It would be nice to have a comparison of contaminants of farm fish versus Notty.
I bet Notty is cleaner than the anyone farmed.
And those farmed fish are in all the stores.

Great point about Chinook salmon in the Nottawasaga River.

Chinook really are different from resident river species when it comes to PFAS: they leave the river as small smolts (~5 g) and return as 9 kg adults, having gained nearly all their body mass in Georgian Bay—not in the contaminated river system. That’s why Chinook from the Nottawasaga weren’t flagged for PFAS in the 2024 Guide to Eating Ontario Fish.

However, Chinook salmon were flagged in both the 2024 and 2025 editions due to significant contamination with mercury and PCBs. The 2025 Guide recommends that children under 15 and people who are pregnant or may become pregnant eat no more than:

• 8 meals/month if the fish is under 30"
• 4 meals/month if the fish is over 30"

That’s a 75%–87% restriction compared to clean, stocked trout from places like Glen Haffy Ponds, where the Guide recommends 32 meals/month and lists no contaminants.

So even though Chinook salmon avoid most of the PFAS exposure that affects other species in the Nottawasaga River, they’re still significantly contaminated with older contaminants like mercury and PCBs.

More important for this discussion:

The PFAS problem in the Nottawasaga River is severe.

According to the 2025 Guide, boys under 15 and females under 55 should not eat any of the following species caught from the Nottawasaga near Jack’s Lake (44°28'57"N, 79°59'56"W):

• Walleye
• Yellow perch
• Black crappie
• Pumpkinseed
• Largemouth bass
• Smallmouth bass
• Rock bass
• Redhorse sucker
• White sucker
• Carp over 14"
• Northern pike over 24"

That’s due to PFAS.

Please check the Guide before eating fish from any Ontario waters—especially this stretch of the Nottawasaga. Contaminant levels are updated regularly, but there’s often no public warning when they change. And this stretch now ranks among the top 3 most contaminated locations in the entire province based on number of “do not eat” fish listings.

Protect your health and especially the health of kids and women of childbearing age. Always check the Guide before serving fish from this river.

This post has been edited by ilikepike on Aug 07, 2025 - 10:15 am