Fisheries Management plan Nipissing

I was not mudslinging , merely pointing out the fact that there is no viable fishery managemnet plan in effect......nor has been for decades.

You just verified that yet again in your own words.

"this is the only way to get the fisherry management on track"

So, from the very beginning, you actually have agreed with me, just didn't realize it

Reading these comments reminds me of a MNR officer that tried to give my fishing party a hard time while leaving Simcoe a couple of weeks ago. We were some of the hundreds that were walking out on 7-8 inches of ice that the OPP announced as unsafe, and to stay off. We brought up some issues on Nip and he just kept going on about the supreme courts ruling and has nothing to do with the MNR. Its a done deal. It was like trying to have a discussion with a brick wall. So I guess since they have ruled there is no sense discussing it further.
I guess we just have to bend over and take it like the polite Canadians we are. Some system we have here, isn't it?

That will be the day when the natives get on board. They are entitled.

We don't need to ban the sale of Nipissing walleye, we need to stop buying it. Get your friends and neighbours to stop buying it. If an establishment sells Nipissing walleye, boycott that establishment and let them know why. Get your friends, neigbours and everyone you know to do this also. No market, no nets.

I am not going to keep circling the wagons on this issue but I will respond to your reply. YES I do think the government can control and ban the sale of walleye or any other resource that is in jeopardy if they apply the proper resources and logistics. E.g if all fresh water fish caught and sold commercially should have to have a mandatory ledger accompanying the product noting the details of the origin, the date caught, and the commercial vendor. This ledger would also be mandatory for retailers to produce upon inspection and if the retailer could not produce then large fines would be levied. Once the ID ledgers are in place fish from areas like Nip where there is concern about the sustainability of the resource would be on a list of products banned from being in a retailers possession. I am sure after a few establishments have heavy fines levied for being found with any banned products or products for which they could not provide proper documentation many would no longer buy these products. There are many ways to control products and substances that can be done outside of touching Native rights. If a native wants to catch fish to sustain his family as he did in the days of his forefathers then I am all for allowing them to do so which is what I believe is agreement made and why they can fish and hunt at anytime using a methods illegal for most others. If however the basic reason for the agreement is being abused for profit and the government is not willing to stop it then hell, give me a gill net and I will make some money also at least until the resource is depleted. I agree that we have been unfair to our native Canadians in the past and there are still issues that need to be addressed by both sides but Do Not Take Advantage of the Agreements Made for personal gain. Most Canadians are now getting a taste of what the our native indians have seen as our laws and ways seem to be changing at the whim to appease cultures and individuals whom have decided to make Canada their home. When these decisions directly affect our natural resources and future sustainability of our resources I do not care about a treaty or any other legal agreement that was made EVERYONE should adjust and refocus their priorities to protect the resource. If someone's feelings get hurt that's too damn bad. I will not make anymore posts on his subject as this debating this issue has been mor irritating then getting a root canal. Nuff said

hey all

I have been fishing lake nip for 6 years when we ice fish we probably miss 5-6 days of the season,we are seeing some awsome catches this year so far our callander for january is full some fifty take home pics throwaways probably 100 or more lake Nipissing is thriving in my opinion keep on fishing and enjoying it and always be honest with slot size and we all enjoy

cheers

Lets play cowboys and indians!!!!

I feel we can't do anything about this issue so I've moved on and will fish elsewhere - I'll miss the West Arm and all the great walleye hot spots - i've been going there for over 40 years.......

I'll be the captain of the team.

I am not going to keep circling the wagons on this issue but I will respond to your reply. YES I do think the government can control and ban the sale of walleye or any other resource that is in jeopardy if they apply the proper resources and logistics. E.g if all fresh water fish caught and sold commercially should have to have a mandatory ledger accompanying the product noting the details of the origin, the date caught, and the commercial vendor. This ledger would also be mandatory for retailers to produce upon inspection and if the retailer could not produce then large fines would be levied. Once the ID ledgers are in place fish from areas like Nip where there is concern about the sustainability of the resource would be on a list of products banned from being in a retailers possession. I am sure after a few establishments have heavy fines levied for being found with any banned products or products for which they could not provide proper documentation many would no longer buy these products. There are many ways to control products and substances that can be done outside of touching Native rights. If a native wants to catch fish to sustain his family as he did in the days of his forefathers then I am all for allowing them to do so which is what I believe is agreement made and why they can fish and hunt at anytime using a methods illegal for most others. If however the basic reason for the agreement is being abused for profit and the government is not willing to stop it then hell, give me a gill net and I will make some money also at least until the resource is depleted. I agree that we have been unfair to our native Canadians in the past and there are still issues that need to be addressed by both sides but Do Not Take Advantage of the Agreements Made for personal gain. Most Canadians are now getting a taste of what the our native indians have seen as our laws and ways seem to be changing at the whim to appease cultures and individuals whom have decided to make Canada their home. When these decisions directly affect our natural resources and future sustainability of our resources I do not care about a treaty or any other legal agreement that was made EVERYONE should adjust and refocus their priorities to protect the resource. If someone's feelings get hurt that's too damn bad. I will not make anymore posts on his subject as this debating this issue has been mor irritating then getting a root canal. Nuff said

Your idea may or may not work, but if the populations are facing concerns over sustainability the sportfishing will be stopped long before the native fishing will. Be carefull what you wish for, in order for your plan to work the sustainability of the population comes into question and the sportfishing for walleye be the first to get the axe.The bigger problem is the Supreme Court gave the natives the right to Commercially harvest fish, Commercially means to sell, by banning the product you are essentially banning the right to sell which is in fact breaching a Supreme Court ruling. I don't think any Government wants to open up that can of worms.

Yes, may be a done deal. but absolutely nothing wrong with discussing the FMP.

I would venture to say most folks are completely unaware of how we got here in the first place.

I will aslo add that just tossing your hands up in the air and giving up is a personal choice.

Clearly it is not mine there are always solutions

My feelings exactly Shank, To form a management plan we need the NFN on board and the good news is they feel the same way. The upside to the Lake Nipissing fishery is that all sides are finally getting together to work out issues and form a plan. The fact that the NFN has a commercial fishery is really a bonus for the fishery, instead of black market fishing there fishery has become a business and the NFN is well aware of the need for management. They have developed there own plans which are not much different then the MNR, and have taken steps to sustain the populations. I for one applaud the work being done by the NFN, I wish the tourist operators put as much effort into the fishery, but again this not the time to mudsling and blame but to work together. The real problems in
a dwindling population lies completely on the MNR, 1 they won't allow stocking of original fish unless they see fit, 2 they allow way to many commercial ice bungalo/hut enterprises on the lake, 3 they don't act on enviromental problems. The MNR answer to fishery management is cut the limits, slot size and take the easy way out, if it cost money or takes an effort the MNR stance is unacceptable.The MNR is in fact the biggest obsticle towards a sustainable fishery lake Nipissing will have.

I know your familiar with Lake Ontario and the same thing is happening there, they reduced the limit on Rainbow to 2 fish, yet the MNR limits the spawn to 1000 fish in the spawning rivers. The Credit, Bomenville creek, and others are limited, instead of taking full advantage the fishery is stopped. The potential for Steelhead in Lake Ontario is unbelievable, the only reason it is not the best fishery in the world for steelhead is because of the MNR. I know you and I could go on about this for hours, but hey shank there is a nice fresh run of steel in Port D right now and the water is clearing up nice hahahaha, I'll be drifting skien bags next week

I agree with a lot you said but not all of it.

certainly the MNR has it's hands tied. They did ask for a winter creel census and for the price tag...should have been given.

The fact that NFN has hired a bio means squat to me.....and here is why.
That data will be skewred or that bio will quickly be gone. Seen this before and it's just a reality check

At the risk of repeating myself effective FMP/s have to come with all stalkeholder interets in mind and then id all threats to the fishery and then collectively come up with mitigating solutions...so we have a long ways to go from there.

far as lake O goes, yup....my take on that is quite simple.

the river anglers and MNR have decide to use the lake as a giant nursery area to grow bows......I'm out there......and I'm out there a lot.

The steelhead fishery is in no jeopardy at all, nor has it been. Numbers go up and down annully but overall the numbers are solid and last year was phenominal fishing.

There is zero science behind that decision..zero.only perception, skewerd data and only from the north shore......ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

I wrote a letter to the Minister and got a reply ........I framed it and itend to sent it back 2 years from now

I got to get off that one here

There is millions of ice huts out on lake nipissing which are 99 percent occupied by non-first nations. looks to me that that it is 50/50 when it comes to who is taking all the fish.

and then you got all the tourists,locals and tourist lodges and people who own cottages during the summer. compared to the few natives that actually net. both parties need to work together