Fisheries Management plan Nipissing

Here's a few more Georgian Bay, Lake Simcoe (2 trout, 2 whitefish) all the Kawartha lakes except 1 are closed to winter walleye fishing

To those suggesting the walleye stock depletion is as much if not more the fault of the sport fishermen , I must ask what other lake in all of Ontario has a reduced catch limit ?
Just the one with commercial fishing.

Must be every fisherman in the province coming to Nipissing.

The one that has 2000 fish huts on it anually, and god knows how many tourist operations

and native fishermen with a 50,000 kilogram (plus what we don't see) annual haul.........let's get all the facts out.

FatRap

I checked my facts, I said walleye reductions. And a few years back the Kawartha lakes decline in the Walleye population is believed to be linked to the loss of habitat related to changes in water clarity.

Cant tell me Nipissing is getting clearer.

To those suggesting the walleye stock depletion is as much if not more the fault of the sport fishermen , I must ask what other lake in all of Ontario has a reduced catch limit ?
Just the one with commercial fishing.

Must be every fisherman in the province coming to Nipissing.

There are many. Simcoe was mentioned... not only does it have reduced catch limits, but the fishery that exists there largely relies on annual stocking (unless you like perch).

I live close to a lot of little pristine trout lakes. Except now, all the trout are stocked. The lakes are still pristine, and have everything to support a naturally reproducing population... but they got overfished years ago. They do not have reduced catch limits, but there would be nothing to catch if it wasn't for the hatcheries feeding the masses.
A buddy and I found one a few years ago that was just enough off the beaten path to not get fished in winter. We hiked in one trout opener on a whim and nailed about 30 splake. Kept 2. We left the lake alone except for 1 or 2 trips every winter just to check up on things as it was not traditionally stocked and we were waiting it out for larger specimens. About a year before it would have been getting good some campers set up shop on the access road for the summer (not 21 days... the summer) and blocked the foot path to the lake. I guess they couldn't catch any splake in the summer so they dumped pike into it. Guess what happened.

But back to Nip... is all of Ontario flocking to it? No. But it is 3-4 hours away from %10 the entire population of Canada (the GTA). None of the inland lakes down south compare to Nip for walleye anymore.. so they come north. This board doesn't have a location tag under a user's handle... but look at the one's that do when this type of bickering goes on elsewhere. The most vocal are often southerners who fish the lake once or twice a year.

No its pretty easy to count the tourist operations. try this http://www.lakenipissinglodgemap.com/ or freedom of information act, god might only know how much comes out via nets though.

Now for the past 5-10 year there has been a huge decline compared to the "good old days" when a camp would be book all season before opening day. this does not happen any more. I'm not saying its because of the fishing I think its more to do with the make up of the workforce (more part timers). But the fact is there are a lot less tourist then there used to be.

The actual quota for the past 2 years that NFN has set is at 37000kg, the actual harvest has been 20000kg and 26000kg this past year. These are just very close estimates.

No its pretty easy to count the tourist operations. try this http://www.lakenipissinglodgemap.com/ or freedom of information act, god might only know how much comes out via nets though.

Now for the past 5-10 year there has been a huge decline compared to the "good old days" when a camp would be book all season before opening day. this does not happen any more. I'm not saying its because of the fishing I think its more to do with the make up of the workforce (more part timers). But the fact is there are a lot less tourist then there used to be.

Here's a link to a map of where the NFN set there nets to catch all the breeders. Please note net locations are coloured in blue.
http://www.fishinglakenipissing.com/

LOL all of lake Nipissing, yes that is true and for personal use any lake in the treaty area and also any lake in traditional territory which runs down to OKA (also known as Nipissings of two Mountains)

I posted this in another thread. NFN's data is sound because they are prepared for a court case either being challenged or them challenging the government either way their system has much less fualts than the other.

NFN caught 40 000 fish or 26 500kg this year, I put this in another thread but anyways lets add 5000 fish for personal use so a grand total of 45000 fish.

Now 2000 ice huts with 1 person limiting out each day just on weekends (10). 4000 fish a day x 20 days is 80 000 fish not including weekdays or softwater fishing and these fish don't even get 1 chance to spawn so arguements can go both ways forever. Time to grow up and work together to find solutions.

As stated in the constitution and courts first nations have first right to the resources that also includes commercial so be thankful they are at the table. That could change an any time.

Thanks for your time

the only thing I have to say It's time to throw those treaties away, stop giving the natives money, and let them work for a living and add to this country instead of sucking it dry.

Sorry dude this is Canada, not Communist China, North Korea, Iraq....ect, we need to honor our Treaties and rights which were negoitated with the native peoples. It was in fact the natives that defended this country from the Americans and hence we owe them.It is there land we live on today, the thing that makes Canada a great Country is we honor Human Rights. If the agreements that were made to our First Nation Peoples bother you so much, maybe North Korea would be a better fit.

First this is going in a not fishing direction that might close this thread.

--->NipNish So you didn't take your full quota, where is that quota coming from?
Having everyone at the table is great, now everyone needs to make their adjustments and not just finger point. What concession are NFN going to make to save this lake?

FN keeps pointing the finger at the fisherman, so now our limits are cut what will the FN bring to the table?

I completely agree that the efforts made by Native Canadians during the war of 1812 was HUGE. They fought for us yes, but it was more the Americans fearing them that helped the most. If we actually had our chit together then we could of taken the border down to the 45 parallel. But if that occured then we probably would of had another war down the road.... One we would not of won. Unfortunately the negotiations made then are completely out of date for the world we live in now. Its completely different now then it was a mere 10 years ago, let alone 200. Time to get over it and actually start working together as Canadians.
That is something I wish then new Canadians entering recently did more of, actually try to become part of it, instead of hiding behind their beliefs and looking for loopholes to stretch.
The world waits fo no one.

Sorry dude this is Canada, not Communist China, North Korea, Iraq....ect, we need to honor our Treaties and rights which were negoitated with the native peoples. It was in fact the natives that defended this country from the Americans and hence we owe them.It is there land we live on today, the thing that makes Canada a great Country is we honor Human Rights. If the agreements that were made to our First Nation Peoples bother you so much, maybe North Korea would be a better fit.

You are absolutely right. this is Canada and you are entitled to your opinion and so am I. What makes the natives so special in that they helped defend the country that they need this special treatment till the second coming. I have family that lost their lives in the war defending our country and they only get honourable mention on remembrance day. The natives should be indebted to us as well during the war with the Americans. If we didn't fight with them the Americans would have conquered them all and we wouldn't have the problems that we do now. The Americans have natives in their country as well and they sure don't get the handouts like their Canadian brothers. When it comes to the treaties you know as well as I do, they don't want that land. ALL THEY WANT IS MONEY SO THEY DON"T HAVE TO DO ANY WORK. A classic example of this is Ipperwash Armeries. If you don't think this is so take a good hard look at chief Spence and her tribe. IT IS ALL ABOUT MONEY AND IT IS NEVER ENOUGH. They might have done some good in the past but most of them have become leaches on our society There are over one million natives in this country and the population keeps growing larger at an alarming rate and each new generation are taught to hold open their hands for a handout. It is high time that the natives leave their traditional way of life, become assembled into this country and become an asset to this country instead of a liability. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Like I said before this is Canada we Honor our treaties, commitments and preserve the rights given to our aboriginal peoples, if you don't agree perhaps North Korea is a better fit for your racist views.

This may be quite a stretch, but one day Canada, will be broke....hey guess what we are already there.

In that environment, all items and funding sources are on the table/chopping block.

Throughout history many treaties/agreements have been broken.

We are talking about a very brief period of history here when the Treaty rights come onto the table.

I agree negotiasons are the only recourse left at this point in time, but will again state that All stakeholders need to cut back if the fishery is in the trouble which we are discussing.